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Sunday, February 14, 2010
Sunday, February 7, 2010
Follow up to previous post
Oh, duh, sounds like they thought of this already...
Elizabeth Doyle and John Doyle
My mother was born in Nashville, Tennessee.
This has neither been verified nor disproved. Elizabeth was probably born in Randolph County, Illinois. Elizabeth needed to be old enough to marry Reed by 1805 and have Eliza Virginia in 1806. If Elizabeth were minimally 14 years old when she got married, she would have to be born before 1791. If she got married as early as 1799, as John D. Lee says, she would definitely be born in Randolph County, Illinois, where her parents lived from the time they were married until 1789.
John D. Lee probably got the information for his mother's birth from Charlotte. Charlotte probably was not born in Illinois, but was probably born where ever the Doyles were living after they left Illinois in 1789 and before they returned in 1796. It could have been Nashville, Tennessee, but no proof has been found of the Doyles living there.
This has neither been verified nor disproved. Elizabeth was probably born in Randolph County, Illinois. Elizabeth needed to be old enough to marry Reed by 1805 and have Eliza Virginia in 1806. If Elizabeth were minimally 14 years old when she got married, she would have to be born before 1791. If she got married as early as 1799, as John D. Lee says, she would definitely be born in Randolph County, Illinois, where her parents lived from the time they were married until 1789.
John D. Lee probably got the information for his mother's birth from Charlotte. Charlotte probably was not born in Illinois, but was probably born where ever the Doyles were living after they left Illinois in 1789 and before they returned in 1796. It could have been Nashville, Tennessee, but no proof has been found of the Doyles living there.
-Info by Mandi
If you read the last bit of info, JDL's marriage certificate states he married Elizabeth Doyle Reed, but her father's name is John Doyle. I have a theory... I think she must have been married prior to her marriage to JDL. In the info found on johndleegenealogy.blogspot.com it says -
My mother had two children by my father -- that is William Oliver and myself.
Since Ralph and Elizabeth were married on 26 February 1811, it is highly unlikely that John D. Lee had an older brother whose father was Ralph Lee. The earliest William Oliver could be born legitimately would be in December 1811 and Elizabeth would have to get pregnant immediately to have John D. on the 12th of September, 1812. In addition, no child of Ralph and Elizabeth was baptized near this time.
John D. Lee gives three children for his mother, a girl and two boys. In Kaskaskia church records there are three baptisms for children of Elizabeth or Eliza Doyle, a girl and two boys.
I am wondering if Rode is another way of saying Reed (since they were French, maybe it was slightly altered in translation, since Daille and Doyle were interchanged as well), therefore, maybe this is our Elizabeth Doyle and maybe she had this first child before marrying JDL. Just my thoughts. They could have even changed the boy's name so as not to point to the fact that it was possibly an illegitimate child, or from another father. Sounds far fetched, but maybe true.
-Info from Mandi
My mother had two children by my father -- that is William Oliver and myself.
Since Ralph and Elizabeth were married on 26 February 1811, it is highly unlikely that John D. Lee had an older brother whose father was Ralph Lee. The earliest William Oliver could be born legitimately would be in December 1811 and Elizabeth would have to get pregnant immediately to have John D. on the 12th of September, 1812. In addition, no child of Ralph and Elizabeth was baptized near this time.
John D. Lee gives three children for his mother, a girl and two boys. In Kaskaskia church records there are three baptisms for children of Elizabeth or Eliza Doyle, a girl and two boys.
In the archives of the Catholic church in Belleville, there was a baptism for a Benjamin Rode, on Jan 29, 1809, with parents Jean/John [Rode] and Elizabeth Daille/Doyle. The child was born the 27th of January.
I am wondering if Rode is another way of saying Reed (since they were French, maybe it was slightly altered in translation, since Daille and Doyle were interchanged as well), therefore, maybe this is our Elizabeth Doyle and maybe she had this first child before marrying JDL. Just my thoughts. They could have even changed the boy's name so as not to point to the fact that it was possibly an illegitimate child, or from another father. Sounds far fetched, but maybe true.
-Info from Mandi
Breakthrough on John Doyle Lee line
For years we have shown John Doyle Lee's mother's (Elizabeth Doyle) parents as being John Doyle Lee and Evaline Smith. I found on the John Doyle Lee's Family Organization a current ancestry done by the family organization genealogist names Rene Durfee, where it shows Elizabeth Doyle's parents as John Doyle b. 20 Sept 1760 Albemarle County, VA (History of Albemarle County, Revolutionary War records) m. abt 1782 probably in Randolph County, Illinois. d. October 1819 Randolph County, ILL
Info found by Susan
Cloe Smith b. abt 1766; Virginia, probably Bedford county. (Not Evaline. )
This is great information. And, I am so thankful to have direction on who we come through. Info found by Susan
Sunday, January 31, 2010
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